Atheists: where do you get your morals from?
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June 24, 2019 / By Alix Question:
Every day religion dies a little more. Eventually, those who base their morality on religious dogmas will have no reason to be moral at all (or at least they will believe they have none, and will act accordingly).
I don't know about you, but that sounds like a pretty frightening future.
But Atheists are living proof that people can be moral without religion.
As people realize that religion is false, they often go through a stage where they feel there is no reason to be ethical. They grow out of this phase by either 1) developing a sense of ethics independent from religion or 2) they never learn to develop a moral sense and become criminals.
If we, as atheists, had a coherent, rational, falsifiable code of ethics that could be handed to people as they wake up from the illusion of religion, we could save so many people from throwing their lives away.
But it will take many of us to develop such a system.
And so I ask again:
Atheists - where do your morals come from?
Best Answers: Atheists: where do you get your morals from?
Tanzi | 2 days ago
I keep them in a drawer beside the bed, that way they are close at hand in case I need them, but don't get in the way otherwise.
(Idea stolen from a Samuel Clemens quote)
What really frightens me is that some don't seem to have the concept of being moral if someone isn't constantly monitoring them with threats of punishment for improper actions. In light of that, please keep them believing in gods for the sake of society.
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Blessings to all. Most will say Common sense
Atheists' morals are not absolute. They do not have a set of moral laws from an absolute God by which right and wrong are judged. But, they do live in societies that have legal systems with a codified set of laws. This would be the closest thing to moral absolutes for atheists. However, since the legal system changes, the morals in a society can still change, and their morals along with it. At best, these codified morals are "temporary absolutes." In one century abortion is wrong; in another, it is right. So if we ask if it is or isn't right, the atheist can only tell us his opinion.
If there is a God, killing the unborn is wrong. If there is no God, then who cares? If it serves the best interest of society and the individual, then kill. This can be likened to something I call, "experimental ethics." In other words, whatever works best is right. Society experiments with ethical behavior to determine which set of rules works best for it. Hopefully, these experiments lead to better and better moral behavior. But, as we see by looking into society, this isn't the case: crime is on the rise.
There are potential dangers in this kind of self-established/experimental ethical system. If a totalitarian political system is instituted and a mandate is issued to kill all dissenters, or Christians, or mentally ill, what is to prevent the atheist from joining forces with the majority system and support the killings? It serves his self-interests, so why not? Morality becomes a standard of convenience, not absolutes.
But, to be fair, just because someone has an absolute ethical system based on the Bible, there is no guarantee that he will not also join forces in doing what is wrong. People are often very inconsistent, but the issue here is the basis of moral beliefs and how they affect behavior. That is why belief systems are so important, and absolutes are so necessary. If morals are relative, then behavior will be too. That can be dangerous if everyone starts doing right in his own eyes. A boat adrift without an anchor will eventually crash into the rocks.
The Bible teaches love, patience, and seeking the welfare of others even when it might harm the Christian. In contrast, the atheists' presuppositions must be constantly changing and subjective, and do not demand love, patience, and the welfare of others. Instead, since the great majority of atheists are evolutionists, their morality, like evolution, is the product of purely natural and random processes that become self-serving.
Basically, the atheist cannot claim any moral absolutes at all. To an atheist, ethics must be variable and evolving. This could be good or bad, but with human nature being what it is, I'll opt for the moral absolutes -- based on God's word -- and not on the subjective and changing morals that atheism offers
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As for me personally:
1. All people have rights to things such as life, liberty, freedom from harm, free association, property, privacy, etc. These rights are necessary for a stable, growing, and successful society. They have been explored and defined through literally thousands of years of law, philosophy, politics, ethics, science, and social living in communal structures. These rights are still being defined and refined to this day.
2. Any action which intentionally infringes upon or limits the rights of another is wrong/immoral/evil/etc.
3. Any action which seeks to preserve, protect, or expand the rights of another is right/moral/good/etc.
4. Any action taken within your own rights that does not affect the rights of another is amoral.
5. Consenting adults can voluntarily enter into willing contracts, even if doing so appears to violate the rights of one or more parties involved.
There you go, that's the summation of determining what is and isn't moral. No need for a god-being lawgiver or fear of eternal reprisal. Only the desire to live in a stable, progressive, literate social system.
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Why would it take many of us to develop such a system? Atheists already are a much more moral people than people of most religions. As to your ultimate question, however, atheist morals come from varying schools of philosophy. We'll probably never all agree on which is the best philosophical approach to morality, but, thankfully, most of them wind up with the same basic conclusions anyway.
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Society. Why is it so difficult for you to come up with morals that you need a Bronze-Age text that tells you to kill people who pick up sticks on the Sabbath (Numbers15:32-41)?
Most humans have intrinsic values that make up morality. This was brought down, not from God, but through evolution. In order to survive, humans needed to become compassionate in order to make a stable society.
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Originally Answered: A question about Morals, where do you get yours?
Research shows that the reason humans struggle with emotion to find equitable solutions is pinpointed the region of the brain called the insular cortex, or insula, which is also the seat of emotional reactions.
The fact that the brain has such a robust response to unfairness shows that sensing unfairness is a basic evolved capacity.
The emotional response to unfairness pushes people from extreme inequity and drives them to be fair. This observation shows our basic impulse to be fair isn't a complicated thing that we learn.
It therefore fully illustrates that all humans have morals controlled by the brain and that Christians are entirely wrong to try and claim morals as their own!!!!
But Christians found a way round it!
Government statistics show that christians are vastly over represented in prisons for sexual, violent and fraudulent crime!
The Catholic church is paying millions in compensation for the sex/pedophile crimes of their priests alone!
Christians are vastly over represented in the divorce courts!
Christians invented the concept of sin and then the idea that you could sin, ask forgiveness, get pardoned and start with a clean sheet!
So no surprise that they are so expert at it is it?!
A Christian is a man that feels repentance on Sunday for what he did on Saturday and is going to do on Monday. - Thomas Russell Ybarra