Mormons: What kind of spirits were in these people who obviously lived in America before Adam and Eve?
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June 24, 2019 / By Carran Question:
Humans lived in this dwelling in Colorado at least 12,000 years ago. It is possibly the oldest discovered house in America.
See this article about the archaeology site.
But official LDS publications give the time of Adam and Eve to be about 6,000 years ago.
And the time of the first Book of Mormon people in America was about 4,200 years ago.
The official LDS Newsroom website about DNA says "Nothing in the Book of Mormon precludes migration into the Americas by peoples of Asiatic origin", meaning that among the ancestors of America's living indigenous peoples were those who crossed Beringia. Additional links try to explain how DNA from the ancient ancestors has probably diluted the evidence for Book of Mormon people.
Officially, the Mormon church says that nothing "precludes", but are they condoning the idea that American Indians were something less than Adam's posterity? Do Mormons entertain the idea that ancient Americans became human by mixing with people from Adam and Eve? There is no official LDS statement on this and the Mormon prophets remain silent.
That idea fails because there is zero DNA evidence of being "repopulated". Ancient American DNA studies show an uninterrupted continuation of living people from the founding genomes all the way to the present. Please read this peer reviewed professional study that one of your own LDS scientists (Dr. Ugo Perego) participated in:
"the general consensus is that modern Native American populations ultimately trace their gene pool to Asian groups who colonized northeast Siberia, including parts of Beringia, prior to the last glacial period."
Obviously before the time of Adam, yet the DNA studies reveal the very same people then as now.
And your Noah repopulation fails too, because this study found the same people (originating from founding genomes) in the same location both before and after the flood.
"Those belonging to sub-haplogroups A2ag and A2ah exhibit temporal continuity in this r
"Those belonging to sub-haplogroups A2ag and A2ah exhibit temporal continuity in this region for 5000 years up until the present day."
The problem is unique concerning Mormonism because no other church has canonized scriptures claiming that people from Adam came to America before Columbus. Only Mormonism presents a scriptural possibility of co-Adamites living alongside descendants of Adam in the Americas. So this question applies specifically to LDS doctrine and ancient America: was it animal or children of god spirits in the bodies of those non-Book of Mormon people if they were not from Adam?
How can you say that my problem only works if the BofM people were the sole progenitors? Please read the question again because you are confused by it. If the only people in ancient America came from BofM people there would be no problem at all. This issue arose because the LDS church made a one-word-change to the BofM intro and published their newsroom statement. And phrog, be honest in your posts. In your 45 years you have most certainly been taught that Adam was 6,000 years ago. Surely you have also been taught D
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Best Answers: Mormons: What kind of spirits were in these people who obviously lived in America before Adam and Eve?
Allerick | 10 days ago
the LDS are not YEC
your 'problem' only works if 1. the BoM claims it's people to be the sole progenitor of the Americas (which it doesn't and you recognize), and 2. if the BoM/LDS insist that A&E were @6000 years (as we currently recognize the term) ago/YEC. if you insist on that then all of Christianity faces this problem w/any archeological human finding that is more than 6k old.
the BoM claims that the people of it were a contributing factor to the people of the Americas. we don't know specifically which ones or how much of a contribution. personally, I think it self-evident that it is a small drop in the DNA bucket.
I don't see where the timeline you linked indicates that A&E HAD to exist 6k years (again as we recognize a year) ago. I've never been taught in 45 years of the LDS religion that these are specific dates. they are simply an estimated timeline based on what scripture states.....but we don't know them to be "years" like the 365 day a year that we experience today....simply units of time. I don't doubt that there have been and maybe are some who think that....but I've never had anyone insist that was the way it had to be.
I also have never heard any such thing as these spirits might be anything other than God's children. perhaps they "remain silent" because it is a non-issue in LDS thought....(because there is no insistence on a YEC view in the LDS church)
also to note: belief in a global (or local) flood is not a requirement to be LDS - traditionally, many earlier members and leaders endorsed the global flood views common in society and Christianity in general. either view, or neither, can be members in good standing.
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Scientific dating methods seem to have enough flaws that I still believe man has been on earth just as the Bible records, and that the estimate of that being six thousand years makes more sense than scientific dating results does. The Bible in Luke chapter 3 traces Christ's genealogy back to Adam, and I find this to be more significant than all the world's scientific claims to anything contrary.
Take fossils, for example. A fossil is not the original bone, really, but minerals which gradually replaced the original bone. So scientific methods are dating the minerals, which are older than the creature whose bones they replaced. At least this is my thought; you can prove me wrong, if possible. I also recall reading about a live oyster which was carbon dated to be something like fifty thousand years old; oysters draw the materials for their shells from the older elements of the sea, do they not?
This link goes into some such things; I just found it, haven't actually digested it; you can probably find more and better ones:
Man being on earth only six thousand years also brings into question just how much we are correctly interpreting DNA evidence. It is possible population DNA makeup changes more rapidly than scientific studies assume, is again my personal guess.
I believe the Book of Mormon because I have received God's witness that it is true. As you probably know, there is also DNA evidence supportive of the Book of Mormon record, such as that of Haplogroup X : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_... You will notice there that Haplogroup X is found both in Palestine and in North America. It has been found in the ancient burial mounds in Americas' heartland, as #27 on the list at this site notes: http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/feat...
So I go by testimony rather than science, yet believe that truth, both of religion and science, will ultimately prove to be in perfect agreement. Man just hasn't got there yet, but God has, and all truth is one.
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You're dealing with a problem that all of Christianity has to deal with.
Personally I'm not totally sold on the dating methods commonly used - they tend to exaggerate things - for example if you ingest something that had a radio-active carbon half life tracer in it then you've become as old as it has on paper, which could be old since it got it from somewhere else. At the end of the day you're left with a pile of assumptions being made, which may or many not be accurate - however the researchers commonly give every effort to make their discovery older or more notable.
So I'm not 100% sure that the dating methods are accurate.
I think that it's absolutely clear in the BoM that Lehi didn't come to an empty continent, in fact I think that the Jaredites also had company.
As for other peoples, radioactive dating might be exaggerated, it might not be, but i do find it interesting that there is little historical record before the current era.
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The garden of Eden was in Missouri. The Flood cause people to migrate to the old world. some came to the Americas by ark again. Some came from the Bering Straight. Yeah that's right. since DNA evidence indicate this. Yeah but some still came from the old world across the ocean. You know from Israel.
And the 12,000 years ago findings? Well maybe it was just an opinion of some in the LDS newsroom.about Adam and Eve dating to 6,000 years ago. Just like the JoD is JUST an opinion of the "true" prophet that talks to God and receives instructions daily.
Well don't laugh. I make more sense than rrosskopf.
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There were no "precluding spirits" in anyone, let alone such a thing as mormon "prophets". The LDS, similar to their admission just last week about cursed black skin being nothing but "racist policies of a bigoted Brigham Young", having no actual basis despite it being hotly defended by willing LDS subjects for the last 200 years, will eventually also recant Native American Peoples as those in the BoM. They have already started a subtle but deliberate, systematic transference to.... Pacific Polynesian Natives! It fits, being an ancient trading people with every imaginable DNA sequence in their genetic makeup.... "Proof," at last! (And their traditionally accepting, all-welcoming cultural outlook doesn't exactly hinder the LDS either, eh?) Yet another "oops" in the works. Watch for it. They will drop their former, entirely unfounded Native American theory like yesterday's cold potatoes, pinning the error on someone in their lineage who cannot defend themselves (as LDS claim anti-mormonism folks tend to do). We are not unaware.
LDS, Inc. = The Spin Church. Because its all about whatever they can hijack to prove mormonism to...... themselves alone. No wonder 15 MILLION have left with their heads... spinning.
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Just as troubling...what about the people who lived in the Americas (and many other places in the world) since the stone age and continued living there well after the "global flood" of Noah's age?
Mormons believe in a literal global flood, as has been confirmed by their General Authorities.
The bottom line is that Mormons don't let evidence get in the way of what they believe. It's one thing to believe in something without having evidence to support that belief. That's faith. But the Mormons take it one step further and believe in something for which there is evidence disproving that belief. That's something other than faith. I suppose "wishful thinking" is a better explanation for Mormon beliefs.
It's sad to me that so many have been so thoroughly duped by a con man that has been dead for so long. Joseph's lies have had such long-lasting impact on so many lives.
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they would be just normal people. BTW i believe the universe was created around 13.7 billion years ago.... so yeah.
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It would appear that the earth has been destroyed and repopulated more than once.
"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth..."
"And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth."
I think I see a theme here...
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"12,000 years ago? IMPOSSIBLE! The universe was created only 6000 years ago!"
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